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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society

The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.

(If you would like to help out with this project by reviewing audios and videos and giving them titles, stephanus numbers, and notes, then please contact us either at info at noeticsociety.org, or at my personal address if you know it. I can really use the help! - Thank you. JS)

Guide to abbreviations
  • NSBSNT - Talks at the Theosophical Society's Besant Lodge in Los Angeles
  • NSCHT - Unstructured/impromptu chats or snippets of philosophical conversation
  • NSDRM - Dream Explorations and Philosophical Midwifery
  • NSFRI - Normal dialogues/discussions/study-sessions on Platonic and other perennial-philosophy texts. Over the years, these have usually been held on Friday nights, but not always.
  • NSPRM - Parmenides morning study group
  • NSPRS - Talks at the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles
  • NSSAT - Informal chats, usually on Saturday mornings
  • NSSEM - Seminars
  • NSSPE - Special or One-Time Events
  • NSMISC - Everything else
  • nsbduncan - videotape recordings from BillD in the 80's. All of these are also NSFRI's.
  • nsaops - videos recorded by Marty and Yoni 2008-2013 and originally posted to the Academy of Platonic Studies website. All of these are also NSFRI's.

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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap11;chap12 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through finishing up chapter 11, and all of chapter 12 of Proclus' Theology of Plato .(*) We look at the Greek in several places, and try to grasp what Proclus is doing. In the end (as with the diagram), Pierre points out that it will be our job to see if Proclus' explanation of things maps onto the 9 hypotheses of...
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Aug 15, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap11 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, KevinG, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through Chapter 11 of Book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato .(*) More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato: We are using for now the Thomas Taylor translation: Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10: 978-1898910-077, as published by Prometheus Trust and available in the UK through them directly , or in the USA...
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Aug 15, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Pierre guides participants in understanding the depth of Achilles’ problem and seeing how the Achaians judge the reasoning (the arguments, the logos) that each of them give in response to one another. Opening Questions What can we learn in Book 9? Why is Book 9 there? How do they (the Achaians) understand Achilles’ problem? What do they offer to get him (Achilles) back into his combat or overcome his problem? (Singularly important) How do these men judge one anothers’ plans and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, iliad, homer
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Aug 14, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This is a Saturday chat with Pierre, but we ended up just doing 4 dreams with him. There was a little chit-chat at the end about Douglas Hedley's book, The Iconic Imagination , and about the problems with the field of psychology's theory of (physical) trauma basis for psychological disorders. Technical Issues The audio is all over the place today. I had to patch in several times from my back-up recorder. I thought at the time it was the microphones, but I think the TASCAM DR-60DmkII...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Aug 13, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap06;chap07;chap08;chap09;chap10 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre and the Parmenides morning study group read chapters 6-10 of Book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato. Chapter 7, p.67, para. 2: We ought however to dare, since we have entered on such like arguments, and affirm against our opponents, that the Parmenides, and the mystic conceptions it contains, will accomplish all you desire. In these...
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Aug 12, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;hyp1 Sections: plg,hyp1: 137b-e Synopsis Pierre takes us through the end of the Prologue, and the first arguments of the 1st Hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides . More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Aug 11, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Barbara, Eldar, Don Synopsis Barbara, Eldar, and Don explore the meaning of their recent dreams with Pierre [Dream texts to be uploaded shortly.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Aug 11, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: chap04;chap05;book01 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through a reading of chapters 4 and 5 of book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato . More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato: We are using for now the Thomas Taylor translation: Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10: 978-1898910-077, as published by Prometheus Trust and available in the UK through them...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book01, chap04, chap05
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Aug 11, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01,chap03 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar Synopsis With Pierre's guidance, our Parmenides morning study group reads through book 1, chapter 3 of Proclus' Theology of Plato . More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato: We will be using for now the Thomas Taylor translation: Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10: 978-1898910-077, as published by Prometheus Trust and available in the UK through them directly , or in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book01, chap03
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Aug 10, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Eldar, Sayon Synopsis Eldar and Sayon bring in their latest dreams and ask Pierre to help them explore them. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Aug 10, 2018 Juan and Maria Balboa
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Synopsis Book 1 of Homer's Iliad, translated from the Greek by Juan and Maria Balboa. Interlinear English and Greek. Future books will be posted here, as they are added.  Download the 'PDF' link in the Download Options menu on this page. More Info More about translation team Juan and Maria Balboa Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org. Image of Achilles tending Patroclus wounded by an arrow,...
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Aug 10, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: plg: 136a-c Synopsis Pierre walks us through a careful reading of the exercise (a la Zeno) which Parmenides recommends to a young Socrates that he practice in before taking on the "One-Many question" on a metaphysical level. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Aug 5, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning chit-chat with Pierre and several members of the NS. This was at Regina's house. Technical Issues I botched the video today, so I got this audio recording from Barbara - Thank you Barbara! Pierre did make a diagram today (the JPEG in the Download Options section), but it mostly just has to do with the solipsism topic at the beginning of the talk. Highlights Barbara's question re "Divisions" and "distinctions" (after Proclus in his...
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book1;chap01;chap02;chap03 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides study group through another morning. We have moved for a while to reading Proclus' Theology of Plato(*), with the object of understanding the Parmenides better, and especially the orders of the gods encoded within. For this morning, we were to have arrived having read the first three chapters of Book 1. And this morning, we went...
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Aug 1, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book06;chap22 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads us through another morning of Parmenides study. This is our first day (at least in a while) of studying Proclus' Theology of Plato. This morning we don't read any Parmenides, but instead take an initial dip in the water of Proclus' Theology of Plato. For the first part of the session Pierre leads us through a broad preview/survey/sampling in order to get...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Jul 30, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 138a,139b-c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides morning study group through another morning. Today we are still looking at the arguments in the first hypothesis and trying to decide on the 'cut points' or 'divisions' (i.e., where arguments begin/end). Regina expresses frustration at our (or Pierre's) decisions always changing, and we acknowledge we are struggling with it, too....
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Jul 30, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Exploration: EricG A new visitor, EricG, visits us, having seen and studied the YouTube videos for a while, and interested in where a dream exploration would lead him. He explores the dream he brought with Pierre. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Jul 29, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Symmetry and Analogies in the 4th Dimension (description forthcoming) More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Jul 27, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;theology-of-plato Chapters: hyp1;book01;chap01;book06 Sections: (none today) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the NS Parmenides study group through another fantastic morning. We actually didn't read today. Pierre reviewed for David and Regina what he went through on Wednesday regarding the first two arguments (P1-P8 and P9-P17) of the 1st hypothesis ('hyp1' here) -- with those first two arguments corresponding...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Jul 25, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137d-138a (P9-P17) Attendees: Pierre, Regina, Eldar, Barbara, JulieH, CathyW, JeffS Today, our Parmenides morning study group works our way through the '2nd argument' of the 1st hypothesis (P9-P17), as usual with Pierre's guidance. We look at the problems encountered. We decide that what at first appear to be conclusions (P7/8 in the 1st argument; P17 in the 2nd) are actually not conclusions, but definitions . And the first and second arguments...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jul 22, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Sayon, Regina, and JeffS explore their latest dreams with Pierre's help. Dream Texts Sayon's dream Thurs. night. My parents/siblings moved into a nice apartment. It seem very rich and distant from the poor neighborhood I was used to. There's open space and hills and other apartments in the short distant. Our apartment was facing another section of the hills. There's an area near the neighbors living room where they were playing loud music. I thought even moving into this nice area it...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137c,d (P1-P11) (description forthcoming) More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Jul 16, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137c-d (P1-8) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis With Pierre's help, our morning Parmenides study group works back again through the first 'argument' of the 1st hypothesis. THis is just 'paragraphs' P1-P8. Pierre asks us to reflect on what an argument is, and what a conclusion is (see diagram). We discuss (sometimes quite intensely) what the problems are and what Parmenides might be trying to do. JeffS in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jul 15, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Some initial and ending chit-chat, but mostly for this Saturday's chat, Pierre helps Eldar and Regina explore what Mind is telling them. Highlights JeffL - Why am I loyal to the same BS? Eldar's dream what does it take for you to get into that kind of thinking/reflection? "average" "neotony" and the lie of "you need to rely on us" (family level, but society, too) Why is it that all problems are about the Self? Having an eye when among the blind The Golden...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 135c-137b Synopsis Pierre leads us through the Parmenidean dialectic which Parmenides shares with Socrates after Socrates' position has been shown to have absurd conclusions (especially the "master-slave" problem).  Parmenides says Socrates must collect himself together and exercise himself in this way.. But we find that (if read with 'Self' for αυτο, not 'same'), the 4-part dialectic doesn't make sense, in several ways.  Pierre...
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Jul 14, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Exploration: Thomas Thomas explores a dream with Pierre for the first time. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137c-137d (P1-P11) Attendees: Pierre, Regina, JulieH, CathyW, JeffS Synopsis Pierre continues to lead the Parmenides morning study group through the mysteries of this most enigmatic and most anagogically powerful of the dialogues of Plato. This morning, we start again from the beginning of the 1st hypothesis.  We read slowly, carefully, appreciating (myself, for the first time now) how each step is really not making sense -- at least, not in the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jul 11, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 139d-142a (P50-P103) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, CathyW, Eldar, JeffS Highlights Why is the Equal/Unequal argument necessary? When you look at any one of these arguments, you can ask, 'Does it belong in the first hypothesis, or not?' Final discussion begins about 1:30:00 Comparison to Proclus' ordering of 14 orders of the gods Shall we go now into the Theology of Plato? (Pierre has asked Juan to translate it..) For next...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 139b-139d (P42-P50) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, JulieP, Eldar, CathyW, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides Morning Study Group through another morning. We are still working through the 1st hypothesis of Plato's dialogue, Parmenides , looking at the 14 arguments made there (see Pierre's diagram from 6/27 ) and noting what patterns of thinking Parmenides is using. Today we work through P42-P50 (hypothesis 1) of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Jul 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 133e-139a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides Morning Study Group through another morning. We are still working through the 1st hypothesis of Plato's dialogue, Parmenides , looking at the 14 arguments made there (see Pierre's diagram from 6/27 ) and noting what patterns of thinking Parmenides is using. Today's talk, IMHO, was just mind-blowing. Well, darn near every talk is. But...
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Jul 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This is an NSSAT gathering, but most of it was dreams: Pierre helps Regina, Josh, and JulieH explore their dreams. There is a bit of chat at the beginning primarily with Josh about education, the Institute for Spacial Dynamics in Mechanicsville, NY, Waldorf schools and Rudolf Steiner, etc. At the end also a bit of chat with Barbara about the Derveni Papyrus. Dream Texts Regina 6/29/18 First dream There was this woman who was pushing to do audits for this place and she did. she got the...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133e-135c Synopsis In a way, a review of last week's talk: Pierre leads us through the "master-slave" argument that Parmenides takes Socrates through, which points out one of the largest problems with Socrates' point of view (commonly held in today's society, btw).  (And we'll see later that this view is represented more precisely by Hypothesis 5.) More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes...
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Jul 7, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: JeffS, Bradley Synopsis Pierre helps JeffS and Bradley explore their messages from the Dream Master. Dream Texts Jeff's dream Fri July 6 I see a dog below me, sniffing around a traffic signal pole. Bradley's dream Wed July 4 This guy had been travelling. And he bought a new car. So there's two guys: There's one well-to-do guy, and he had been off traveling. And they were in this -- what are those things they ship cars in? -- just an empty vessel. Sparse. So he had...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jul 4, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 138a-c (P17-P23) Attendees: Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis We are still working through Pierre's 14 arguments outlined in his diagram from our 6/27 session . We finish the 'not in itself and not in another' argument and move on, starting into the 'not stationary and not moving' argument. Pierre points out that we can have the questions a) whether all (14) arguments are necessary (and not superfluous), and b) whether the...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137c-138a (P1-P18) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis We continue with following Pierre's worksheet (diagram 1) from last Wednesday's session . However, not remembering where we had left off at the end of Wednesday, we decide to start over again at the beginning of the 1st hypothesis, at 'P1'. Ironically, we make it to the same place we did Wednesday -- P18. Re-doing it this time, however, allows us...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 30, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 135e,136a-c Attendees: Pierre, Eldar, Barbara, Regina, JulieH Synopsis Working to understand Parmenides' description of the 'exercise' that Socrates should engage himself in. We have also in the past discussions referred to this as a 'dialectic', with 8 parts. Proclus also expands on it (to 24) in his Commentary. Highlights 0:00:30 to 0:19:00 Regina's pseudo-question re 135e, P56 19:00 Barbara - translation issues at P56 "can":...
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Jun 28, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137c-138a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, Regina, JeffS Synopsis 0:00:30 Some initial chit-chat 0:06:45 Start of study The "14": Pierre hands out a worksheet he has done, outlining the 14 (maybe 15) movements (or steps, or 'cycles') from One to Self, reflected, he says, also, in the Theology of Plato. We try to follow, and read through the Parmenides paragraphs, following the reasoning, but without yet "analyzing"....
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Jun 25, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 141e,142a (P99-P103); 137c-138b (P1-P19) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JulieH, JeffS Synopsis We begin again with re-reading the 1st hypothesis of Plato's dialogue, Parmenides . First, however, Regina asks a question about P99-103. The main issues we get into in the 2nd part are: the unlimited-ness of the One (and therefore of the Self), with the physical analogues of straightness and circularity how Parmenides' pattern of dialectic...
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Jun 25, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): iliad Chapters: book07;book08 The Iliad: 11.16.2012 Video_Books 7 and 8 Original Title: Judging on How the Athenians and the Trojans Relate to Their Gods Reading: Book 7: Lines 200 and on; Book 8: Lines 1 and on, 403-429, 449-460, 481-505 Synopsis Pierre leads us through a quick outline of Books 7 and 8, and asks us the following questions. THE OPENING QUESTION: How can we judge the way, the circumstances, and purpose, the Achaians and Trojans relate to their Gods? Is this a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, iliad, homer
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Jun 24, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Eldar explores a very important message from the Dream Master today with Pierre's help. [This was originally going to be an NSSAT (Saturday morning chat) but Pierre had to leave early today and could only stay for 1 hour, and Eldar had not gotten his dream in last night. So the entire morning (only 1 hour) was just a dream exploration, and I classified it as just an NSDRM. Recorded at Regina's outside. -JS] Dream Text Eldar’s Dream 06.22.18 I'm in this very fun and interesting place...
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Jun 24, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations - Belinda, Don Synopsis Pierre helps 2 of our NS members, Belinda, and Don, explore the meaning of their dreams. Text of Dreams Belinda's Dream Play Rendering. Don's Dream Marie and I were in our room enjoying each others' time when I noticed looking out of our bedroom window that our grandson was out side walking very gingerly to a ball in the middle of the lawn and two other kids were walking up to him and the ball like they wanted to play. So I told Mari, and she...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133e-134b Synopsis We work our way through the "Master Argument" -- the section of the prologue of Plato's Parmenides dialogue dealing with the largest problem with Socrates' "Theory of Forms". Timeline 0:00:00 Pierre starts out with an outline to the concepts of "mastership", "benefit", and "art", in the Platonic senses. (Most of these taken from the Republic.) Philosophy thus resulting as the...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 137bc,141e,142a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre Grimes' morning study group for Plato's dialogue, Parmenides . We spent most of our time today considering whether what Parmenides calls his "hypothesis of the One-Self" includes the 1st hypothesis only (in this dialogue), or whether it includes all hypotheses 1-9 (and that he would have foreseen/expected that). Also, at the beginning, we consider...
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Jun 22, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132b-133d Synopsis Pierre leads us through the part of the Intro/Prologue (in Plato's dialogue, Parmenides ) leading up to the Master-Slave argument. The key issue here is all the problems that come with Socrates' view of ideas. Parmenides carefully follows Socrates' line of reasoning and shows Socrates the absurdities that follow from his view of ideas.(*) [(*) This view is often called Socrates' "Theory of Forms", in...
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Jun 20, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 136a-137a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics touched on 136c - discussion of the words, "extraordinary undertaking" and "certain/definite". Is 'ti' referring to the 'highest, most renowned Self'? 136d,e - An ethical matter. What can we tell from Zeno's statement? "Discursive Progression" - JulieH/lexicon: instead of this, maybe "orbit" or "full account"? Regina 135a...
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Jun 16, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Kevin, JeffS, JulieH, Bradley Synopsis Pierre helps four of us explore the meaning of our dreams. [Dream texts to be uploaded imminently.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 135c-138a,127e,128a-b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Our Parmenides study group continues now after the end of the "master argument". Some initial chit-chat and then we start in around 0:07:00. Is Socrates 'stung'? Parmenides sees Socrates 'impulse' Curious use of 'logos' and honorific 'sauton' (thy-self). What is meant by 'gather thyself together' here? Use of 'impulse' in the Republic, as well. Using this...
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Jun 13, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 134b-135c (P42-P53) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Wrapping up studying the section informally called, the "Master argument", in Plato's Parmenides . We focus today on P51, P52, and P53, with various puzzles in each section. More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Jun 11, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130a-e (P38-P51) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS [There are 2 diagrams today. For diagram 1, Pierre added more to his 2nd diagram from our June 1st session.] We read from 134A (P38) to 134E (P51) in Plato's Parmenides . Topics touched on Initial chit-chat about Trump's latest antics at the summit. Barbara's question at 129b about this Self Regina's question about P42 - all classes of Self? or just upper? This leads to a...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Jun 10, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130a-132b Parmenides walks Socrates through more of the problems with his view of ideas (theory of forms). More Info Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Jun 10, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Exploration: Eldar Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. Dream Text Eldar’s Dream 06/04/18 1. I am trying to use the restroom in some place that seems like a motel in Mexico, in kind of a run-down, ghetto kind of neighbourhood. I think I have a room there; I'm staying there temporarily. I need to pee. I'm about to pee and there’s somebody chasing me. That somebody is just outside of the door of my stall and they’re trying to get in. I think it’s a little man. He’s out to...
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Jun 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133d-134c (P36-P48) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Why is Parmenides using these lower (Master/Slave) terms when he could have used 'King/Subject'? What does 'selves in relation to selves' mean? Why does Parmenides/Plato use 'real being' (ontos) to refer to us (since that's a very different use of that term than he does elsewhere)? Focus on P41-43: Knowledge (capital K) and knowledge (little k): Classes without direct...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133d,e (P36,P37) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Our study group first continues into our third day ( 1 , 2 ) of looking at what I am calling here the "prelude", i.e., the summary statement Parmenides makes (at P36/133d) of all the problems/issues involved with Socrates' position before he launches into the Master-Slave argument/example. Then, at about an hour-and-a-half in, we start into Parmenides'...
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Jun 5, 2018 Jeffrey Mishlove and Pierre Grimes
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Synopsis Jeffrey Mishlove interviews Pierre Grimes on Jeffrey's online program, New Thinking Allowed . We are not sure of the copyright status so for now we are only providing links to these videos on Jeffrey's YouTube channel, rather than storing copies of the videos here on archive.org. Thank you, Jeffrey, for interviewing Pierre. We love your channel and your long wonderful line of fascinating guests! Interviews on YouTube: 2017-10-15 Plato's Republic with Pierre Grimes 2017-10-25...
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Jun 5, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b-e Synopsis Pierre leads us through a second (third?) Friday night (in this series -- there have been others of course) of the Parmenides. We are in the prologue, with Parmenides interviewing Socrates. Pierre asks us: What does Socrates fail to see? He can't accept that everything has a Self. Why not? Why does he have difficulty making the connections between upper and lower worlds? What does Socrates lack? What about Socrates' thinking kept...
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Jun 4, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133c,133d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Today we stayed with P36 (Parmenides' 36th time to speak in the prologue) in Plato's Parmenides , and went over it to better understand what Parmenides is saying. The main work we did today was to focus on one (complicated, difficult) sentence before the "master argument" is started, and try to figure out what issues that sentence foreshadows. Topics Touched On...
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Jun 4, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Bradley, Don Pierre midwifes Bradley and Don on their dreams after his Friday night talk . More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning chatting with Pierre, this time at Jeff and Sayon's house. Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS, JeffL. - Some introductory warm-up and chit-chat as we get settled, then Pierre midwifes.. - JeffL on a dream he brought with him (starting at ~0:13:05) - Barbara (starting at ~1:20:20) - JeffS (starting at ~1:36:43) Text of JeffL's Dream JeffL 5/24/18 I’m in a car with my brother or my mom. I think it starts out with my brother and switches to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Jun 2, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133c-d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS We spent our time this morning working to understand Parmenides' statements (at P35 and P36). More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132c-133c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics Touched Upon 2nd Infinite Regress problem The problem of participation again (P34) Difficulties/blockages to Self Ousia aded (P35) Problems with our (current, mainstream) fascist educational model More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Synopsis This is Pierre Grimes' fourth in a series of articles on the subject of philosophy, philosophical counseling, philosophical midwifery, and The Self, published in Philosophical Practice , the journal of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (of which Pierre was the founder) with permissions of the author and the editor. It is reproduced here under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license . Pierre is the inventor of philosophical midwifery in its modern sense,...
Topics: plato, philosophy, parmenides, republic, self, logos, pathologos, pg1, appa-journal,...
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Synopsis This is Pierre Grimes' third in a series of articles on the subject of philosophy, philosophical counseling, philosophical midwifery, and The Self, published in Philosophical Practice , the journal of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (of which Pierre was the founder) with permissions of the author and the editor. It is reproduced here under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license . Pierre is the inventor of philosophical midwifery in its modern sense,...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
May 29, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 131e-132c (P16-P26) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Belinda, Ingmar, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis As usual, our study group works through Plato's dialogue, Parmenides . This morning we continue our work in the Prologue section, 131e-132c, where Parmenides deals with Socrates' 'theory of forms' (as it is usually called in Amer-Euro academic philosophy), and the absurdities produced by it. (Academia has largely ignored this section and...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
May 29, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;gospel-of-john A lovely Saturday morning coffee chat with Pierre and the NS gang at Bill and Ronda's house in their beautiful garden. [I did not film this Saturday: too tired, and too hard to get camera angles all figured out in a new location, so I just nixed it.] Attendees: Pierre, Ronda, Bill, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, DavidC, MarkB, Ingmar, Eldar, Sayon, JeffS First 3+ minutes are just us gathering and getting seating and table arranged to talk with Pierre out in Bill...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 128e-130b,131d-e Synopsis We continue our study of Parmenides (2nd Friday night). (This Friday evening we shifted our starting and ending times up an hour, starting at 7:30 instead of 8:30.) Surprisingly, no one came with a dream, so we just worked on Parmenides. This evening divided into three parts: Section 1: 0:00:30 Intro to Why Study the Parmenides, and How Does One Do Philosophy? (Pierre says he should have given this intro talk last week)...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
May 21, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 126a-128e First of a series of Friday night talks Pierre gives us on the Parmenides dialogue by Plato. (We read from the Juan and Maria Balboa translation .) Technical Notes The first 0:11:14 are audio-only, no video, because I had forgotten to bring the camera, and Sayon had to run and get it for me.  (You can follow along with Pierre on the audio while referring to diagram 1 . Both diagrams are available as JPEGs in the Download Options section...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
May 19, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Exploration: JeffS Pierre helps JeffS explore a recent dream. Text of Dream JeffS's dream Fri May 18 2018 [In reading this dream it's important to know that in waking life my mother had practiced pediatrics and later psychiatry.] 1 I guess I'm helping my mom clean the house. Or she's cleaning the house, and I'm assisting, or at least talking with her while she works. And as the dream starts out, I have asked her what my problems could be owed to, or why I am having these.....
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May 17, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): iliad Chapters: book05;book06 Sections: Books 5 and 6 Reading: Book 5, Lines 795 – 844, 888 - 992, 929 – 947, 987 - 1026 Alternate Title: War, the Question of Cause, and Divine Forces Synopsis These are some of the questions Pierre asks of Books 5 and 6, and Noetic Society participants: What’s worth looking at in Books 5 and 6 before skipping them? Are there other wars in history besides this one? What was the cause of it (WWII)? Can you predict the next one, with whom it...
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Dialogue(s): book-of-john Chapters: chap01;verse03 Another great informal Saturday morning chat with Pierre and the gang. Synopsis Barbara has been studying the Greek used in the New Testament. Particularly she has been looking at the first few lines of John 1:3. She has been very careful about it, but it sure looks like the text has much Platonic influence and has been incorrectly translated for centuries. She leads us through it at the board. (Diagram 1 of 3) The translation she is using is...
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May 13, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Belinda, Sayon, Marie Synopsis With Pierre's guidance, we take turns trying to midwife each other on our dreams, and see at which point(s) we get stuck. Sayon midwifes Belinda on her dream #1. Jeff midwifes Belinda on her dream #2. Don midwifes Sayon. Eldar midwifes Marie. Text of Dreams Belinda's dreams 5-11-18 Dream 1 I am at a get together with many people I know, love and are friendly with. Everyone is interacting and seem to be enjoying themselves. I take off...
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May 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 90e-91c,93a-101e [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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May 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 85e,86e,95a Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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May 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 75c-d,78b-82b,83b Technical Very scratchy and low volume audio. I did what I could to make it audible. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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May 8, 2018 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 78d,79d,80b,81a Technical A/C hum in audio. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 70b,75c,76d,78b Technical Slight A/C hum in audio throughout. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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